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        <div><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Just saying, but, rather than complain, perhaps submitting a pull request with the necessary changes and regressions is going to be more productive. If you need a non-systemd build, see what needs to happen for that to work.</div>
        
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                    On Sunday, April 19, 2020, 10:57:40 AM EDT, John Crisp <jcrisp@safeandsoundit.co.uk> wrote:
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                <div><div dir="ltr">On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 13:08:35 +0300<div class="yqt8345085916" id="yqtfd34517"><br clear="none">Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:phaoost@gmail.com" href="mailto:phaoost@gmail.com">phaoost@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none">> Hello,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I would like to raise attention of the community on the reported bug,<br clear="none">> which is closed without taking any action.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://github.com/libreswan/libreswan/issues/328" target="_blank">https://github.com/libreswan/libreswan/issues/328</a><br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> I would like to point out that there is no need to include systemd as<br clear="none">> build-dependency for libreswan and there are may other init systems<br clear="none">> that can run libreswan. Inserting such dependencies shows bad attitude<br clear="none">> towards users and community.</div><br clear="none">> <br clear="none"><br clear="none">I don't agree on the 'attitude' part of your statement, but I do agree<br clear="none">that systemd should not be a hard dependency. Debian only recently<br clear="none">agreed that there should still be some init freedom.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It is depressing being pummelled into 'conforming'.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Lots of non systemd boxes exist (thankfully).<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I have started to run Libreswan on some non systemd Devuan boxes<br clear="none">and it is an inconvenient pain to install & update now.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">It is easier to install openvpn.....  :-(<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">John Crisp</div><div class="yqt8345085916" id="yqtfd00929">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Swan mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Swan@lists.libreswan.org" href="mailto:Swan@lists.libreswan.org">Swan@lists.libreswan.org</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="https://lists.libreswan.org/mailman/listinfo/swan" target="_blank">https://lists.libreswan.org/mailman/listinfo/swan</a><br clear="none"></div></div>
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